Two things.

Jul. 5th, 2011 05:57 pm
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Thing of the first: I'm sad that people feel compelled to make snarky comments about the Anthony trial, and anyone who DID follow it. It's a murdered kid, you know? That half of Florida helped look for for six months. And it seems so strange to be smug about being willfully ignorant of a current event that was all over every news source of any degree of repute. Not having closely followed it, fine. But making nasty cracks about how this was just a media thing and all that? Seriously? You're just blowing off a murdered kid? Wow, you are way cooler than I am, if that seems hip to you. (Again, if I already talked to you on FB about this, I'm not talking about you.)

I'm not talking about people who didn't know every detail; I don't expect people to follow every trial, and this one was particularly awful. I'm a little surprised at the "Casey who" comments, because frankly, that's bullshit unless you were LITERALLY living under a rock. I just am sorry that in all this fuss, somewhere the fact that a small child was thrown in the woods to rot seems to have slipped the radar.



Thing of the second: Read this article, but read the link first if you're inclined to be all trigger-y.

Please explain to me who is more screwed up, the journalist, or the "close friend" who helped her work through this PTSD issue.

Date: 2011-07-05 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfmare.livejournal.com
I sort of live under a rock. Mainly because things like that in the news, as often as they are, depress me pretty badly. I'm agoraphobic... I really don't need to give my mind still more reasons to shut down and panic at the thought of simply leaving my house, and watching/reading/listening to the news only makes that worse. I already border on having a disability because of my panic attacks. I can't afford making it worse.






Admittedly though, I'm a bit removed from the spectrum of 'normal' in that regard. The best I can say is I do listen to every Missing Child alert that comes up, and keep an eye out myself, but that's about my limit.

The second part kinda goes along with the idea of desensitization therapy, but goes way beyond what is healthy in my opinion. PTSD can happen not just from someone's own experience, but also from seeing someone else going through trauma and the basic sense of empathy with another person's experience, so I don't really blame the journalist. Nor do I blame the 'friend', as he was obviously trying to help, although I do wonder how on earth he could 'perform' under that kind of circumstance, even if it was just acting.

The therapist mentioned in that article should be banned from working as such, period. I can't even comprehend the logic that inspired that suggestion.

Date: 2011-07-05 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-says.livejournal.com
That's what I'm saying, though; a friend who is capable of performing such an act (particularly with the inclusion of punching her in the face, even with a pillow) is not necessarily a person you'd want to call a friend. I'd prefer to think a noble guy wouldn't be able to agree to such a proposition.

Date: 2011-07-05 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfmare.livejournal.com
PTSD is kinda tricky though... I'm absolutely phobic of riding in vehicles, period. I can drive, but riding scares the hell out of me. My husband, however, drives when we're both going somewhere.

Otherwise, I'd be in a worse predicament... Because while *I* can drive without panicking, I have trouble going anywhere alone because I get the same kind of panic attacks.

Most people would consider him driving to be deliberately cruel to me, but it's the only way I can maintain even the control I do have over my panic attacks... And that's not an uncommon sort of situation with PTSD: Desensitization is one of the few options for actually treating the problem.





But still... While I can understand trying to help someone face their problems, when it comes to something like this that's a little harder to be fully understanding of. But, if she's okay with how things went, that's between her and her friend, because in the end they're the ones who have to live with it.

I just really couldn't imagine physically harming a friend that way. Tackling them so they don't get hit by a bus, sure, but not something like that. Maybe there's not a huge difference in purpose between the two, but a world of difference emotionally/psychologically.

Date: 2011-07-05 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geobabe1.livejournal.com
I've been frustrated by the amount of attention paid to the Anthony case--not because it deserved no attention, but because it pushed out other stories that were also deserving of attention. I get that we can't follow everything, and we all pick and choose what we want to get involved with, but it was so frustrating to me to see it every. damn. time. I turned on the TV, I ended up just avoiding the coverage. A little more balance would be nice.

The Mac McClelland thing...I saw her piece last week (and here's the original, for those who want to read the full text of that), and...yeah. I question whether she's being completely truthful in that account, and if so, WTF is up with a friend who would accommodate that kind of request. That's just fucked up.

Date: 2011-07-05 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-says.livejournal.com
Oh, I think everyone has. I think hearing every breathless detail of every word was very frustrating, but I think it also adds to the bafflement people feel over the verdict, since it seems like with all the information we had, nobody could reasonably have acquitted her. We were in Orlando two weeks ago, and I know the natives were getting very weary of hearing gory and gruesome details every night. It's not the weariness that gets me; it's when people get snippy about it, like "I'm enjoying watching the American hive mind freak out over this." Really? You're enjoying it? Wow.

I just can't get past the idea that a friend who was able to accommodate that kind of request has to have an interest in doing it.

Date: 2011-07-05 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesamin.livejournal.com
If not for people on livejournal mentioning it and an article in People magazine that I read while on the check out line, I would have no idea who Casey Anthony was. As it is, I had to go google it after I saw several people mention following the trial. I try very hard to remain in a news free bubble so that I don't have to pop ativan like candy and sleep at night. I firmly believe that, for me, ignorance is bliss. That said, the little I did read about it, I really thought she did it. I wish the jurors would comment so I could see where their heads were and how they came to that conclusion. (but then I really did only read a little so it's possible I got the biased towards 'she did it' articles)

Date: 2011-07-05 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-says.livejournal.com
I know the news is scary and upsetting at times, but I admit it's an alien concept to me NOT to read the news every day. I don't want to be the person who has no idea what's going on in the world.

And everybody thought she did it. Except the jury. What it came down to finally was that she said that the child drowned and she freaked out, wrapped her in trash bags and duct tape, and ditched her body in the woods, then went on a month-long party because she was sexually abused by her father as a kid. Because it's always a good idea to make an accident look like murder, I suppose.

Date: 2011-07-06 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesamin.livejournal.com
See that's what I don't get. The making an accident look like murder. That doesn't make sense. I mean, accidents happen. It's awful and tragic and sad but yes, you turn your back for a second and the baby drowns. It happens. But that happening and then you freaking and dumping the body like that? Does not compute. Not even after being sexually abused forever. No.

Date: 2011-07-06 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-says.livejournal.com
Aaaaand, that's why I would have not been so cooperative on this jury. But having two young children would have automatically booted me anyway. Terrible accidents happen, and it's not rare for a child to drown in a home swimming pool. That's why although normally I'm pretty good at separating feelings from facts and being pretty impartial about trials, that alone, the dumping her body, would have been enough to make me doubt everything she said--and then once they showed that everything the woman said was a lie it seems even more obvious. I get it if they didn't want a murder verdict because of the death penalty, but the manslaughter charge seemed obvious.

Date: 2011-07-05 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfmare.livejournal.com
That's sort of what I'm going through... I can't follow the news, it has too much ill effect on my state of mind. I'm already on anxiety meds as it is.

Date: 2011-07-06 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gratefulbambina.livejournal.com
I'm in the same situation. With this one I didn't follow close when it happened because Caylee looked SO much like Alex I would get sick everytime I would see that pretty baby's face. I go through phases with the news where I'll watch and then my anxiety kicks in such high gear I have so many issues now, driving in the car with me will put everyone on xanax, just ask Arn its not a fun ride :(

Anyway, I didn't really follow the case but I knew mostly what she did and heard some random tips here and there. My neighbor was watching on court tv and would tell me updates on our daily walks. I think that she did it, I didn't hear all the evidence to know if the case was brought without doubt. Just a sad situation all around :(

Date: 2011-07-06 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnail-19.livejournal.com

Thing 1: Sorry, I am one of the ones that doesn't follow the news. I will actually leave the room if it is on the television as I feel it adds nothing positive to my life. Therefore, I had no idea about any of the case or trial until everyone started talking about it yesterday. I had heard the Mom's name mentioned a time or 2 but didn't even know the little girl's name or much about the story. Obviously I know about it now with everyone talking about it but was completely oblivious before. I don't have anxieties or depression from watching or reading news, I just choose not to bring it into my life. With everyone else watching and reading, I usually get updated on the current events. No offense to those who watch or read news religiously, I just choose not to.

Thing 2: not sure I would have chosen that form of treatment for myself.

Date: 2011-07-06 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woohag.livejournal.com
I've been loosely following the Anthony trial but became more invested in the last 2 weeks, being in Orlando with The Boy and all. I, like most, am stunned at the verdict but I do understand it from a legal standpoint. I don't know how she'll ever show her face in, say, Publix one day. I think the whole warped family needs to move to another country.

Also, something I'm surprised I haven't heard in the media: The new tattoo saying "Bella Vita" could have been referring to Caylee's life, not Casey's own (which is not to say I think she's innocent, but I'm surprised the defense didn't use that angle to explain it away and even make Casey seem remorseful)

Date: 2011-07-06 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-says.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it I'm surprised the defense didn't sell it that way. I think her attorneys were stunned, too; it appeared they were just trying to keep her from getting the death penalty.

Date: 2011-07-06 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blakdove.livejournal.com
I just can't follow that trial. You understand.

The second one. Wow. She must hang out with a very different set of people than I ever would. Pretty sure that that kind of guy would also totally take advantage of her in other situations.

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